Friday, February 20, 2009

We are not close to being Swedish yet

Nouriel Roubini has a newspaper article that says we are all Swedish now. I wish it were true. We are nowhere near being Swedish.

This is an investment blog – so – in tradition of investment blogs I am going to start with a stock chart.

This is a chart of a bank – I have removed the currency and the name of the bank.

The bank could be any bank that (nearly) collapsed in 1992 and recovered. It could be Citigroup or a small property exposed regional (such as North Fork). But it isn’t.

It is Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken, a Swedish bank which – at least in those days – was more upmarket and had a large corporate loan exposure.

It was in deep trouble. It was involved in a government support process which – had they failed various tests – would have wound up in nationalisation. The market truly believed that it would be nationalised. The only thing that kept it liquid was the implicit support that if it failed certain capital tests (weak tests because buffers were reasonably used by that time) then it would be nationalised.

It didn’t fail the tests. It got some private money. And the stock went to the races. The stock was a 20 bagger in 18 months. The bank however was implicitly supported by a process that could end in nationalisation. (That is it was solvent and would have been illiquid if not for implicit government support. It was a crisis - but a crisis alone was not enough reason to nationalise a Swedish bank.)

Here is another chart – this one is Svenska Handelsbanken – one of the better managed banks in the world. It too was loss making at the height of the crisis – and it had elevated losses for several years.

This bank did not even apply to be enrolled in the government support program (though it did consider it). It decided (with some justification) that it would get by fine. However the bank sure looked done for.

Swedish bank nationalisation wasn’t done by a traditional Swedish semi-socialist government. It was done by a centre-right reformist government for whom nationalisation was anathema.

They developed processes which were certain and which some adventurous money could recapitalise the banks under clear rules. The process respected private capital.

Banks that were deemed to require capital had to raise it – if they couldn’t they were fed capital by government. If they required too much capital the government wound up owning them. But there were defined rules and a process.

This is how it is – with certain rules and a process not every American bank is going to die - and possibly some or most of the big six will survive. Some will live – and they will prosper. Nationalisation with process leads to 20 baggers. Oh, and zeros - 100 percent losses.

But we are here in limbo. The nationalisation meme has taken hold – and nationalisation of some banks will happen. America is a current account deficit country – and almost all American banks need wholesale funding. There is none of that since the Lehman/WaMu week – and there will not be substantial wholesale funding until the rules are clear. All banks will fail in that environment.

The faster we come out with a good process – one which has nationalisation as one (but not the only) possible outcome then banks will continue to fail. And ad-hoc decisions will be made to bail them out or confiscate them. And we will be no wiser. And no closer to a solution.

Investing and nationalisation

Equity investors should not fear the nationalisation meme. It happened in Sweden and two of the banks were 20 baggers. Svenska Handlesbanken was a 50 bagger to peak (and it still trading well above 100 kroner).

The “all banks are insolvent” idea is simply not true – and it is not going to help you make money forever (though it will work until a process is found). But – hey – while there are no rules – it all a crap shoot. We own no American bank common equities at Bronte. Short a few.

Waiting, hoping… hoping we really can become Swedish. You make the real money on the long side...


A post script is required. SEB – which was an OK – but not great bank – got itself entangled in the Baltic mess. It is not quite as exposed as Swedbank – but it is not pretty. The stock is down from 250 to 50.

SvenskaHandelsbank has operations in the Baltic. Here is their Estonian page. But the exposures are substantially less large and the stock is one of the better performing European banks. Hey – best bank last cycle – best bank this cycle. A solid culture is the only way to run a bank.

A second postcript - in the comments it is noted that (a) the Swedish Kroner devalued sharply giving Sweden a strong competitive edge, and (b) the rest of the world could buy the Swedish product. It is much harder with a synchronised world downturn. No argument from me there.


Swedish Lex said...

Great post!

I worked 24/7 for a couple of years with the Swedish crisis as a commercial lawyer in Stockholm. Close members of my family were involved in politics/government and contributed to the design what became the Swedish bailout.

What you cover in this post is what I had on my mind when I commented on your post “Bank solvency and the “Geithner Plan””, i.e. it is crucial that the Government steps in with a comprehensive and coherent plan that defines the rules of the game. Whatever the solution, it must be transparent and respond to basic criteria of societal fairness. The U.S. response thus far (a couple of trillion later) has been ad hoc, fussy, incoherent.

The Swedish plan contributed (but was not the only factor) to establishing a sufficient degree of certitude in the system/economy that matters were handled in a way that made economic sense (i.e. for society, not the insiders). The benefits were felt across the economy and helped to gradually stop the dominos from falling. It was however a long journey.

If Geithner thinks he needs a stress test before stepping in and doing the necessary, so be it. But if the coming weeks/months instead is dominated by politics as usual, a situation that already is extremely dire may worsen further.

John Hempton said...

Lex - please email me...


Don said...

"But there were defined rules and a process.
This is how it is – with certain rules and a process not every American bank is going to die - and possibly some or most of the big six will survive."

You have been making very good points lately. But, in September, many people argued for a version of the Swedish Plan. At that point, it wasn't even clear that any bank need be seized. The point was that the Swedish Plan was a plan, a model, that had been successfully used. It had the merit of:
1) Not being a hybrid, like TARP, with divergent interests
2) Because there was a plan, it could be assessed as it went along
3) It would put the taxpayer's interests first, which is what the taxpayers demand for the use of their money
4) It would be less easy to lobby, because there was a definite mechanism in place
5) It had real moral hazard, the threat of nationalization
Most of the people I read who favored this plan did not want the government to run banks at all, let alone for a short time. And that leads to:
6) It had a plan for the government getting out of these banks.
In other words, the main selling point, as far as I was concerned, is what you're calling for now.
The idea of a model is important, just as I remember reading that Sweden used aspects of the RTC in forming its plan.
All of this goes back to Bagehot, as far as I'm concerned.

Don the libertarian Democrat

Quarrel said...


do you have a view on the Australian banks? They're also in a current account deficit country (although I guess we can have arguments about private vs public debt - in the current crisis higher private debt would seem to me to weigh more heavily on the major banks), but the general economy is not yet in the same bad shape as the US.

Funding costs in the wholesale market don't seem to be biting them as hard, although the higher local rates have presumably (until now) helped there.

That aside, I very much agree with your take - someone has to bite the bullet, but as with lots of issues in the current crises politicians are not led by the economics but by popular considerations. (incidentally politics is why I'm amazingly sanguine about the worlds ability to avoid rising protectionism all through 2009 - everyone will keep repeating how we must fight it, while actions will continue to be protectionist. Just watch the FIRB/treasurer here in Aus..)


Mug Punter said...

Doesn't your analysis here require the addition of two other ideas that put this all in context?

1. The Swedish crisis was followed by an almost 60% devaluation of the SEK against the USD between Sep 92 and Dec 93 which allowed a renewed competitive edge in Sweden to lead to an an export boom. A situation that can't be repeated in totality today because...

2. Today's crisis is far more widespread than just the Nordics... It includes all of Europe, North America and soon imploding East Asian Trade Suprlus nations. Worldwide competitive devaluation will not allow major economies to pull of the Swedish devaluation trick nor allow them to massively increase exports in a global slump of aggregate demand. This global contagion will worsen the general econoic climate and prevent rapid recopvery of value or productive capacity.

Swedish Lex said...

Mug Punter's comments are valid and I have made them on various blog posts over the past couple of weeks.

However, the comments do not reduce the need for nationalisation à la suédoise.

The gains in the stocks of SEB and Handelsbanken as presented in the blog post coincided with the doping effect of the devaluation of the currency. Thus, the global debt-driven growth over the past decades helped pull Sweden out of its slump. No such growth locomotive in sight, this time however.

Amardeep said...

I think policy makers and media talking heads have confused "systemic" with "systematic."

Everything that's done will have systemic impact. Even chaos and entropy are systemic.

But systematic is different. And the Swedes figured that out.

Anonymous said...

You forgot Nordea, emerged from the nationalised banks. It's doing much better than SEB or SHB. Are governments maybe even better bank managers?

tales from the crypt said...


There is no doubt, that Swedish banks will have losses in Baltics. But
1) Swedbank is by far sounder, than generally imagined. At least in Estonia Sampo (Danske) and Nordea took market share from the Swed over last years and I expect that relativelly bigger part of bad loans will show up there.
2) As far as Baltic currencies are not devalued all the talk about "strong CHF making payments for loans 2x bigger" (as indeed have happened in some CEE countries with floating rate) is so far noise. More than 90% of loans in Baltics are in EUR and have floating rate (home loans usually fixed over 6m EURIBOR). As EURIBOR is collapsed, average loan payment already is or will be appr. 1/3 lower for most of old loan book, making it easier to pay.
3. When at the end of last year Swed rised their home loan margins to 3..3,5%, then now it's less than 2% and I expect some positive impact to the transaction activity over the next Q's.

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